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June 12, 2007

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The whole 'poetry was widely read and now it's not' is a romantic myth, I agree. Widely read by whom? Weren't most people illiterate? Printed poetry will always be more obscure than printed prose - always. We use words daily to express ourselves in a direct, descriptive and economic way so when words are suddenly coopted for other uses it's harder to get it. That was true of Byron the "rock star" and it's true of Ashberry the prince. Printed poetry is elitist in that most forms yield enjoyment or understanding only when you're familiar with the rules. It takes more work. However, spoken verse and song have been around for millennia - they preserved our cultures' histories, honored our cultures gods and goddesses, celebrated our rites, entertained the masses, moralized in churches and theaters, created hilarities on the back of trucks and in the streets. People continue to slam it from mikes on friday nights, speak it in the theater (Ntozake Shange and Glynn Maxwell are good examples of contemporary verse playwrights), chant it in churces, and rap it on the radio and on the street. Some poets are rock stars and some rock stars poets - who cares? I don't think popularity can be legislated. It's an idiotic notion. Is Gioia disappointed because he's not a rock star? The richness of poetry is in the variety of the way people use the everyday word (and the rare one too) and whether they want to do so to be famous or obscure is their problem. Ashberry may flirt with the reader by obfuscating and being puzzling but it hasn't seemed to hurt his readership. And he sits on my shelf along with the celebratory and clear as crystal Mary Oliver. That newspapers won't print poetry is not a problem with poets, it's a problem with newspapers - news is a product now. They are worried about what will sell.

I don't think there is anything wrong with the term "hobbyist." I do think most of my poet friends are hobbyists in the sense that while poetry may be at the core of what they do, it is not how they "make a living" (pretty much impossible to do that with poetry). I consider myself a hobbyist as a short story writer despite getting books published and reviewed and occasionally even bought.

To me, some of the beauty in contemporary poetry stems from its utter lack of commercial possiblities. That "uselessness" in commercial terms has led to some talking-to-themselves dead ends but also in some breathtakingly innovative (and traditional) work.

Lately it feels like one sees more claims for or against contemporary poetry than the names of contemporary poets. Who should I be comparing the classes of the 50s and the 20s to ?

" And it's belittling to poets (there are probably more poets writing and publishing today than there ever have been -- not that that's necessarily a good thing) to set up an analogy that likens them to hobbyists."

That wasn't my intention at all; in fact, the goal of the analogy was to address what you talk about earlier in your comment. Poetry was much more vital at its height than radio was, therefore where radio is down to hobbyists poetry is down to little-read but (I assume) worthwhile journals, anthologies, etc.

Byron was a celebrity. Perhaps the first "celebrity" of the modern age. So was Allen Ginsberg. Lorca was famous in in his own lifetime. It's kind of an arbitrary phenomenon when a poet gains a measure of fame, in the sense that the vitality of the art form cannot really be measured by the presence or absence of celebrity poets. It's too unusual a phenomenon to treat it as the norm from which we've somehow fallen off. Remember when some celebrity Soviet poet used to fil the stadium? ... Neither do I.

Radio drama may be a distinct art, but it doesn't hold as central a place in our culture as poetry does. It doesn't have as much history and tradition behind it. 100 years of radio plays compared to thousands and thousands of years of poetry? Maybe one day we'll get Time magazine articles bemoaning the loss in popularity of the vital art of radio plays, but I doubt it. And it's belittling to poets (there are probably more poets writing and publishing today than there ever have been -- not that that's necessarily a good thing) to set up an analogy that likens them to hobbyists.

While I agree with much that you say, I would point out that the so-called "familiar forms" are now utterly unfamiliar to many young poets. Maybe those shapes are just about old enough to be new. Maybe there's still life in those vessels, and in the everything that once made poetry poetry: maybe it just needs to be made new, and maybe it can be made new.


I agree with most of what you say, but to say poetry is as vital as it's ever been seems a little much for me. It's like saying that radio drama--as distinct an art form as poetry--is half as ital as it's ever been because there are hobbyists who do it sometimes.

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