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March 09, 2004

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I was just curious.... what EXACTLY is psychological realism?? I'm writing a paper on Joyce Carol Oates's "Where Are You Going, Where Have You Been?" and the psychological realism that is present throughout the story, but I'm having slight difficulties considering the fact that I don't have an EXACT idea of what psychological realism is. If you could help me out, that would be great!! Thank You.

In saying "supposed" I was really only referring to Updike's own perception that Barthelme had fallen out of favor.

Actually, "psychological realism" is already a departure from the kind of realism that Updike describes. It introduces an element of the subjective that allows for some of the "latitude" Hawthorne wants. James was himself greatly influenced by Hawthorne, and no more so than in his later work, where this subjective element comes to predominate almost exclusively.

By "symbolist" here I mean that the depiction of outward "reality" becomes secondary to the figurative or symbolic possibilities of literature--almost as if the story could be treated as a poem rather than a documentary account of experience.

As to O'Connor, think of Wise Blood. Would we really want to say that her primary goal in this book is "realism"--the objective "look of things," etc.?

Finally, thank you for your own piece on Barthelme. I only wish I had come across your site sooner.

Mr. Daniel Green,

Thank you for responding to the article. I'm flattered.

I liked your point about romance--a term that fell into disuse once it referred to a pulp category.

I also liked your point about Updike's own fiction. I would surmise that Updike's response, since Updike probably realized this, would be that he felt he had strayed from realism at his peril and suffered the consequences...? Just a conjecture.

Malamud didn't always stray from realism. I haven't read all of Malamud to say, but some of his work did. I can't think of any non-realistic O'Connor or Faulkner off the top of my head, but they may have written a story or two. Even "A Rose for Emily" seems highly realistic to me, but then you may have had to grow up in a small town to feel its texture.

I would probably agree with Updike's definition of realism. In fact, I assumed we all shared this definition and didn't bother to quote it. I'm not sure how prose style could affect a story's depiction of the "texture" of reality if the words are doing so. Maybe you have an example in mind? I'm not sure how usage of symbols could affect realism, either, unless the symbols take on such a prominence that the story fails to give "you the real texture of how things look and how people acted." Do you see realism as a no-frill depiction of reality? without symbols or stylistic nuances?

I'm not sure what you mean when you say "Flaubert is a great writer, as is Chekhov, as is James.... If the complaint is that current writers don't write like these folks, well, few writers could." Putting aside James' ghost stories, which some might describe as a psychological realism anyway, I might say that you almost could not have picked three more influential nineteenth century authors on our modern usage of realism. Or is that what you were trying to say?

A minor quibble:

You wrote: "The quote was in reference to Donald Barthleme and his supposed decline in influence, but..."

This intimates (perhaps I read too much into the statement?) that the use of the quote was misplaced in its reference. But, if you meant this, it was not. The discussion I pulled it from was all about the "holding-up" of writers of Updike's generation and Updike queried the interviewer regarding Barthelme. You're right, of course, that Updike does admit to liking some of Barth's work although his feelings about Barthelme remain in question, either way (at least in this interview).

Thanks for your article. Fascinating stuff. I look forward to reading more of your insights.

Take care.

Trent

I'm very interested to hear that younger writers are rediscovering both Barthelme and Barth. Barth's many books are not uniformly at the same high level of accomplishment, but his best work is good indeed.

Actually, I think both Barthelme and Barth are enjoying renewed respect and adulation among more experimental younger writers--at least among those of my acquaintance. Interesting dissection of the "realist" construct, though.

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